tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post4969147795716867987..comments2024-02-28T09:17:05.678+00:00Comments on Power Is Nothing Without Control: DilutionChris 'Blane' Rowathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13050917713159548998noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-86953424378978461632013-03-10T06:26:35.399+00:002013-03-10T06:26:35.399+00:00Blane
Hey man!
Thanks for putting up this article,...Blane<br />Hey man!<br />Thanks for putting up this article, I've been looking for these kind of posts lately.<br /><br /><i>I started PK in the early 2010 and been consistent on my training. But I can't land any flips so..yeah</i> <br /><br />Back to what I was saying, it's good to see this kind of articles.<br />I've been down lately because of these insane russians. They're so aggressive on the movements that people call them beasts and monsters of parkour even if they have poor form and poor technique.<br />They will say "this is parkour!" even if it's just a plain back layout from a ledge. I hope your gettin my point..<br />and sorry for the long comment..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-68689468877639963222013-03-10T06:26:29.561+00:002013-03-10T06:26:29.561+00:00Blane
Hey man!
Thanks for putting up this article,...Blane<br />Hey man!<br />Thanks for putting up this article, I've been looking for these kind of posts lately.<br /><br /><i>I started PK in the early 2010 and been consistent on my training. But I can't land any flips so..yeah</i> <br /><br />Back to what I was saying, it's good to see this kind of articles.<br />I've been down lately because of these insane russians. They're so aggressive on the movements that people call them beasts and monsters of parkour even if they have poor form and poor technique.<br />They will say "this is parkour!" even if it's just a plain back layout from a ledge. I hope your gettin my point..<br />and sorry for the long comment..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-15088866751362566102011-11-10T14:33:51.498+00:002011-11-10T14:33:51.498+00:00Hey, I am one of those "Newbies" as we a...Hey, I am one of those "Newbies" as we are reffered to. anyways reading this article has headed me warning about what I am doing to myself. I have been practicing parkour for a week and I can do a three step wallrun, unfortunately. I have been out for about 4 days because my legs are just done. so After reading this I have decided to do more training rather than just looking up youtube video's on how to do stuff. Thanks for writing this. You may have helped me and other newbies in the future.Dakotanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-24966806053385349582011-11-01T00:13:25.346+00:002011-11-01T00:13:25.346+00:00I agree. And I don't understand why people wan...I agree. And I don't understand why people want to do certain things / moves just in order to be able to say that they did them.<br />To me, parkours - like any sports - should be about fun, and not about competition. The only one you should -perhaps- compete with is yourself. If you get better than you have been before, then you can be proud of yourself. But don't envy others because they can do things you cannot (yet) or feel superior to others because you can do something they cannot. Every human is different, and has different talents. We can combine our individual talents to achieve much more than we could if we tried it alone. I prefer "together" to "against", cooperation to rivalry.<br />GGShinobiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-84446611973638729372011-09-10T12:27:12.860+01:002011-09-10T12:27:12.860+01:00Hey, guys.
I am trainig for at least 5 years now...Hey, guys. <br /><br />I am trainig for at least 5 years now and I'm really glad about, 'cause I had the chance to decide to follow the oldschool path.<br />In the days I started there just existed the pure way of movement which showed its magic in efficiency and surprised with the idea that urban obstacles don't exist anymore. The magic trick to make obstacles disappear is nothing less than to train hard, skillfuly and with responsibility. It is the oldschool way indeed because today the urban playground has become a stage wiht the spotlight aiming at onehit-wonders.<br /><br />I would lie if I told ya that I didn't recognize where the modern path would lead. <br /><br />so in the end, it is a gift we got in having started training in the early days, because that time we fell in love with the old magic of parkour. We already had dissagreed to fill the TV shows with crazy action, since we enjoy the movement and not the presence of the audience. We don't care about training in the rain, at night or in the warming sun, since we like to feel our heartbeat guiding us the way. it beats for fear, for exitement and for joy. <br /><br />Who is there watching us laying exhausted on the sofa remembering the satisfying hours of training? no audience but you! <br /><br />When you feel frustrated or disappointed, you should asked yourself after the reason why. is it because you did not fullfill your aims? Than train harder and be glad to have found a new drive. <br />is it because the spot light is directed to your friend, which make bigger drops than you? than you should asked further if parkour is what you really want for your self, or if you even want to encurage your self-confidence in order to feel stronger in front of others. <br /><br />things evolve, things elapse. so we do, so the onehit-wonders do. maybe we last longer due to our responsible way of training. What ever will happen, my heartbeat beats for the oldschool way of magic. no audience cares about,so no audience will distroy it ever, because it keeps me alive, and I keep lightning the path with my candle. <br /><br />Lots of candles could make lots of light, don't they? so no reason to worry about. get stronger by enjoing. <br /><br />grz. Marcus, Germany <br />P.S.:<br />now I go and lead a workshop for parkour newbees ( for free of course ) and I'm going to tell them the same things.Marcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-69715173285847496342011-06-29T14:48:58.568+01:002011-06-29T14:48:58.568+01:00Hi Blane,
I just wanted to thank you for this. I...Hi Blane,<br /><br />I just wanted to thank you for this. I'm in a similar situation to the one you described, having been training for many years now but never "big" or "strong" at things. I'm usually happy with my ability, when I'm training alone or with people I know well (Dan, Timmy etc), even though I may not be at their level, but I do also question it sometimes when I see a lot of the new people training (especially the very new people at classes).<br /><br />This post has helped clarify things in some way. Like other people here I've had my "errors", however one of those specifically slowed me down significantly - I sometimes see this as a bad thing but I'll bear all this in mind in the future, so as I said, thank you.Alex Colehttp://www.y-less.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-49557121802594961992011-05-24T22:35:31.549+01:002011-05-24T22:35:31.549+01:00I'm very impressed by what you wrote, you touc...I'm very impressed by what you wrote, you touched on a lot of serious points about the human person. <br />For example one can only live his or her own life. Secondly, the first thing we learn is the first thing we forget. <br />Being busy living some one elses life will only create an unfocused mind. <br /><br />I've been praticing parkour for the last 6 years in Sweden. Never an athletic level as goal, it's been my breathing hole, a way to be creative and to move my whole body and feel like one with myself and my surrounding. <br />And everytime I've been running with some new people whom just begun with parkour I've had just this experience, thinking why can't I do that. And as a result done some stupid decisions. But everytime I get back to it afterwards I realise I don't do this for any one elses sake but for my own and for the challenging path my body and mind are traveling on. <br /><br />And what you find on youtube today isn't helping, sometimes a some clips can take down your inspirations for a few days, questioning if you're excersising in the right way. <br /><br />As a sidenote, just to share some of my own experiences. I'm a classicly trained painter and work as a Artistic Anatomy instructor at an artschool in Gothenburg. <br />And I see the same things in art, people doing cool stuff, but easily forgetting the basics and after a few years they get stuck in a manner, they do the same thing over and over again. Because without a solid foundation, may it be a strong body or a mind which see basics, a easy way to break down any problem no matter how complicated. People get stuck and cannot analyse and critique themselves and back track and find back to the developing path they started on. People want shortcuts, but like you mentioned, it might not carry you as far in personal development as the long way would have done. <br /><br />So thanks for sharing some very easily appliable thoghts on life. Parkour is young and these thoughts are needed to keep a focused way forward.<br /><br />So thanks for strenghtening my focus. Keep on formulating your thoughts, I for one look forward to hear them.Per Elof Nilsson Ricklundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795792203572578398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-85208461876876077552011-05-24T22:34:20.266+01:002011-05-24T22:34:20.266+01:00I'm very impressed by what you wrote, you touc...I'm very impressed by what you wrote, you touched on a lot of serious points about the human person. <br />For example one can only live his or her own life. Secondly, the first thing we learn is the first thing we forget. <br />Being busy living some one elses life will only create an unfocused mind. <br /><br />I've been praticing parkour for the last 6 years in Sweden. Never an athletic level as goal, it's been my breathing hole, a way to be creative and to move my whole body and feel like one with myself and my surrounding. <br />And everytime I've been running with some new people whom just begun with parkour I've had just this experience, thinking why can't I do that. And as a result done some stupid decisions. But everytime I get back to it afterwards I realise I don't do this for any one elses sake but for my own and for the challenging path my body and mind are traveling on. <br /><br />And what you find on youtube today isn't helping, sometimes a some clips can take down your inspirations for a few days, questioning if you're excersising in the right way. <br /><br />As a sidenote, just to share some of my own experiences. I'm a classicly trained painter and work as a Artistic Anatomy instructor at an artschool in Gothenburg. <br />And I see the same things in art, people doing cool stuff, but easily forgetting the basics and after a few years they get stuck in a manner, they do the same thing over and over again. Because without a solid foundation, may it be a strong body or a mind which see basics, a easy way to break down any problem no matter how complicated. People get stuck and cannot analyse and critique themselves and back track and find back to the developing path they started on. People want shortcuts, but like you mentioned, it might not carry you as far in personal development as the long way would have done. <br /><br />So thanks for sharing some very easily appliable thoghts on life. Parkour is young and these thoughts are needed to keep a focused way forward.<br /><br />So thanks for strenghtening my focus. Keep on formulating your thoughts, I for one look forward to hear them.Per Elof Nilsson Ricklundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795792203572578398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-82433489628666081032011-04-18T10:52:31.369+01:002011-04-18T10:52:31.369+01:00Wow, this is some intense wisdom. I'm hoping t...Wow, this is some intense wisdom. I'm hoping to get into Parkour soon and this will definitely be of great aid to my starting out mindset :)<br /><br />Naiice blog :)Terry Tibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08939708123024683877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-76700332924590890442010-10-19T16:57:28.290+01:002010-10-19T16:57:28.290+01:00Wow.... really.... wow! This was one of the best a...Wow.... really.... wow! This was one of the best articles I have read in a really long time. I completely agree with you. We live in an age where technology can get your answers in seconds and we can learn from people across the world in a matter of youtube videos or blog posts. I'm a beginner to parkour (in a way), I mean I have always been the kid that enjoyed rock climbing, climbing trees, climbing...well anything. I have always enjoyed running and overcoming obstacles but now i'm training for a couple reasons. I train to hone my physical abilities and to focus my mind. For me parkour is an escape, it's a way of taking time to forget about some of your life responsibilities and it has helped me through my fall to the bottom, it is my upswing. Traceurs must stop trying to always compete with one another, the beauty about parkour is that your only competition is yourself. In my city its not about outdoing the next person... it's abotu overcoming your mental and physical obstacles at your own pace...enjoying the people you meet and the places you go as you do so. For us it's about growing into a stronger more independent person and respecting that everyone makes their own path. Parkour is the art of movement, control, and awareness. There are an infinate number of paths in this world, you decide what path you will take, you decide how you will take the path, and you decide when you need to slow down, stop, or even turn back.<br /><br />One thing I wish this post addressed would be the minor split between "Parkour" and "Freerunning". It seems that there are groups of people who believe that Parkour is about running and overcoming obstacles only... and that flowing, flipping, or adding your own style to your adventure is not Parkour. As previously stated... it's about making your own path and deciding how you should travel that path. Things like flowing and acrobatics add individuality to this discipline. I personally cannot do it yet, as stated I am new, but I respect others abilities and creativity. The last thing we need is to split this discipline into opposing views as to minor deviations in a "traditional" definition of Parkour.<br /><br />"Use your eyes to learn, use your eyes to see your path, but use your heart to visualize and feel your journey, and use your body and confidence to get you there."<br /><br />- Justin West (Texas, United States)Justin Westnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-15058710052282990922010-10-01T19:53:23.842+01:002010-10-01T19:53:23.842+01:00Hi Blane
Over the past year, I've come back t...Hi Blane<br /><br />Over the past year, I've come back to this article numerous times, and each time it has expanded on my wisdom of the discipline. I've been training for 3 years now, but didn't start with doing big drops or anything; I read up about how it can damage your body before beginning. I'm grateful for that, and like you mentioned, past experiences can be useful.<br /><br />I'm still working on basic technique. Perfecting the various ways of vaulting an obstacle, rolling, landing etc. I've never gone above head height for a drop, and anywhere close to that height is extremely rare for me; I don't train drops at all, rather the landing from about a foot up and the roll transitioning from ever so slightly higher.<br /><br />But parkour is so much more than doing big things. I've had infinite joy from simply experimenting with bodyweight work on a bar, like muscle ups, hip thrusts and lever work. At the same time I've been through loads of hellish sessions, where I push myself to the absolute limit.<br /><br />There are as many parkours as there are traceurs. I train in the way I do because I feel it is the right way of progressing with the physical side of it, and will continue to train in this way, for life. I rarely tain technically; I'm just having so much positive experience from conditioning and getting up to that next strength level. I'm even currently taking a couple of months of break just so that I can strengthen my legs considerably, because I feel they are lagging behind the rest of my body (Maximum squat is a pistol + 20kg for 2 reps, so not that strong atm)<br /><br />Train hard, follow your true nature and enjoy the discipline that is parkour.<br /><br />From Bryan G, a fellow traceur...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-32049990650029228672010-02-19T19:21:53.392+00:002010-02-19T19:21:53.392+00:00Do you have copy writer for so good articles? If s...Do you have copy writer for so good articles? If so please give me contacts, because this really rocks! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-86267165819004228922010-02-11T03:55:50.707+00:002010-02-11T03:55:50.707+00:00I have a lot of respect for your view and the wisd...I have a lot of respect for your view and the wisdom you reveal in it. It's amazing how something as simple as this pearl of great worth can make us reflect on how we live our lives on the sides of walls and on the carpets of our homes; in the air and on the ground; our inner and our outer lives. <br /><br />You have my thanks and my appreciation for sharing this, and I'll back and share this with whomever will hear it.<br /><br />Peace and traction!Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-39039503169192453832010-02-08T11:56:42.110+00:002010-02-08T11:56:42.110+00:00Great, and wise text.. I am one of the parkour beg...Great, and wise text.. I am one of the parkour beginners, and very thankful to have read it. Not only does it reflects truth (imo), it reflects something of you as a person. Cheers for that..Mark Windhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623838047324412849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-29535738237589374932009-10-08T09:15:56.264+01:002009-10-08T09:15:56.264+01:00Thank you so much for this, Blane. I have no exper...Thank you so much for this, Blane. I have no experience in PK at all and I'm just about to start conditioning my body. I think I'm really lucky that I bumped into this article before attempting to do even the simplest elements of PK. So again - thank you, man! I'm also thinking of combining conditioning with yoga. Somehow it feels it's a powerful combination in the long term and I believe it will help me to build a flexible and resilient body. And of course now that I read this I'm not going to succumb to peer pressure and allow someone's momentary respect to ruin my body.<br /><br />From Russia with love! :)<br />DanUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17598151761916721377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-84154256245023641702009-04-11T21:31:00.000+01:002009-04-11T21:31:00.000+01:00Thx man, this really made me think. After my first...Thx man, this really made me think. After my first training i already had knee problems and my back is really killing me. I will take it more easily from here on and progress at my own pace. Thanks again for the warning.NTPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-58199670789904410782009-04-11T21:30:00.000+01:002009-04-11T21:30:00.000+01:00Thx man, this really made me think. After my first...Thx man, this really made me think. After my first training i already had knee problems and my back is really killing me. I will take it more easily from here on and progress at my own pace. Thanks again for the warning.NTPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-84500254283300146232009-02-26T13:55:00.000+00:002009-02-26T13:55:00.000+00:00You're work is truly a reflection of my thoughts. ...You're work is truly a reflection of my thoughts. People try to progress to fast and don't realize the repercussions they cause. But I'm sure you know this so I would just like to say thank you for getting the thoughts of so many other tracuers on paper.Rand Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04164777447376582012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-31591425998636804602008-10-14T20:19:00.000+01:002008-10-14T20:19:00.000+01:00You know, this is the perfect article. I know I'm ...You know, this is the perfect article. I know I'm not all that experienced but I've met a few people who've been training for half the time I've been training and can kong/cat leap/precision farther than me and I always wondered if I was doing something wrong. This article really inspired me and I might show it to some other traceurs. This was really great. Thanks Blane!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-31813165618682575192008-07-10T15:15:00.000+01:002008-07-10T15:15:00.000+01:00As a newcomer in parkour, I wanna thank you very m...As a newcomer in parkour, I wanna thank you very much for this reflexion. Doing my homework I grew more and more concerned about the fact I'm 26 already, and kinda lost the fact that I'm in for the long term. Your essay helped me clear my mind.<BR/>I respect you so much man, may our paths cross some day.<BR/><BR/>Greeting from MontrealAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-17105476257415045332008-07-08T13:29:00.000+01:002008-07-08T13:29:00.000+01:00Great article Blane and I completely agree, even t...Great article Blane and I completely agree, even though I've never done Parkour before lol. I'm only just starting out(going to have my first training session this Saturday)and I am a bit worried but I know it's something new and exciting I want to try and I want to be in it for the long haul. Personally I would go so far as to say that your theory is an extension of the whole "gimme gimme now" generation that are currently living today, they're too spoilt, they expect everything to be given to them whilst they only do the minimum of what it is that they need to progress. I agree that you need to condition your body, I've been told that millions of times by my friends who do Parkour, and who am I, a beginner, to question that? This generation think they know everything then they(more times than not)end up failing, like you put it they wear out their body long before it's meant to be worn out because they think just that they can do something doesn't mean they should. I myself am quite muscular but I know that muscles doesn't automatically equal strength or conditioning, I've had my body "talk" to me quite a few times but even so I'm not going to proclaim I jump in the deep end just because I can. I'm going to start from the beginning and work my way up. Nothing worth having ever comes easy, that's a statement not many kids of today seem to get in their heads. Lol, I must sound like a really old man, but I'm only 19 lol. Keep up the good work mate, you're an inspiration to many. I'd be more than happy if you could impart some of your own experience onto me:)WlknCntrdictionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06414180990667746077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-24257965349709393562008-05-12T12:45:00.000+01:002008-05-12T12:45:00.000+01:00Hi BlaneI came across this post and got to say its...Hi Blane<BR/>I came across this post and got to say its a very good read. <BR/><BR/>I am very interested in parkour but can't find anywhere to train <BR/>myself and few of my friends do martial arts (Tae Kwon Do,XMA) but were very interested is there anywhere near Hinckley.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Troy <BR/>vonn_perkins@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-34561948881129338762007-11-12T11:09:00.000+00:002007-11-12T11:09:00.000+00:00Hi Paul,Thanks for taking the time to type that me...Hi Paul,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for taking the time to type that message, it was great to get an insight in to how you're progressing and training.<BR/><BR/>You raise some excellent points that greatly contribute to this discussion so thank you.<BR/><BR/>I'm really pleased if I've influenced you in some way from so far away, hopefully one day we'll train together and share ideas in person.<BR/><BR/>Until then, keep working hard and well done for being so sensible about your training. ;-)<BR/><BR/>-BlaneChris 'Blane' Rowathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13050917713159548998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-31285835455036241812007-11-10T19:22:00.000+00:002007-11-10T19:22:00.000+00:00hi Blane from good ol' South Africa. Scene's reall...hi Blane from good ol' South Africa. Scene's really picking up here and i do think that we will start encountering the same dilution factors. <BR/><BR/>my thoughts on the subject are that people are too concerned with aesthetics (although part of freedom of expression, so to say). i've also found that that point of amazement at watching a person jump from great heights really does make you want to do that. i've found after training in not only pk but physical theatre (a bit like a combination of contemporary dance, mime, acting, ballet and other movement types) and tai chi that the principles are basically the same although the contexts are different.<BR/><BR/>one main problem with being motivated by the vids on the net is that they don't mention anything about physical "intelligence" needed in pk. Knowing ones body is probably the biggest advantage you will ever have in pk. thats why i would advocate the trail and error method of training - with regard of listening and researching good advice. why do i advocate trail and error rather than learning straight from posts on the net? for the simple reason that rote learning of the movements teaches you nothing about the limits of your body, but also pushing your body to dangerous extremes when you are not sure of what you are doing is just as useless.<BR/><BR/>learning physical intelligence for me has been a piece-meal thing. it started from training in phys theatre where they teach you about your body, how it moves and how it doesn't. many people consider this to be pointless by saying 'its my body. so why do i have to learn about it?' and i say 'for the same reason you had to learn to walk.' people don't just instinctively know how to walk. it is a process of trial and error, a process of learning what your legs are, how they work, and how you can use them, then you start walking.<BR/><BR/>Back here we have some excellent mentors and they always push for simplicity a gradual progression.<BR/><BR/>"I'm concerned that the shortcuts available to today's practitioners might rob them of the irreplaceable muscular development that the Lisses traceurs have, the deep rooted neurological pathways and the vast amount of muscle memory that no book, article or spoken word can give to them. The granddad strength" <BR/><BR/>this i believe is a brilliant example of a gradual progression. it's not about how quick you can learn something (especially when regarding the body) our bodies are complex machines and they need a 3000pg hand book that has a life time of volumes that have been written to operate. you can't be expected to know everything in that book by heart after the first reading, which seems to me like what a lot of beginners seem to do today, sometimes they don't even get past the first chapter.<BR/><BR/>for me i'm still learning the first chapter and will for the rest of my pk life. this i think is the greatest problem for this sport. to understand the path you will one day take you must consider what has been learned along that path and where you are today.<BR/><BR/>Physical intelligence is what potential traceurs need to learn. this comes through well thought out training routines, practice, recovery and refection. beginners often don't know what exercises to start out with, if only they would be willing to learn about their body and how it works...<BR/><BR/>i would also like to thank you blane for the influence you've had to my training, all the way on the other side of the world. keep up the good work, keep the passion, keep the flow!<BR/><BR/>PK FOR LIFE!<BR/>Paul<BR/><BR/>Ps. check out parkour.co.za to check out whats going down on our scene!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37058160.post-49866024135900625342007-09-01T21:05:00.000+01:002007-09-01T21:05:00.000+01:00Blane,I read your article "dilution" and it got me...Blane,<BR/>I read your article "dilution" and it got me thinking. It sure would make me sad if I were a older traceur looking at the new ones doing much more. But I guess I'm one of those newer traceurs, trying to get to higher jumps and everything faster instead of training myself more on smaller stuff first.<BR/>The article really inspired me to start small first. And thats what I'm gonna do from now on. =) But I have a question. Please don't take this as going against you or being cocky. <BR/>Are we supposed to just go and keep jumping 5 feet things? How do I know when I'm ready to move on? If I don't jump the bigger stuff, how exactly do I train? <BR/>I guess I'm just asking for advice because I'm new at this and don't know anyone who can teach me so I gotta learn myself and teach myself. I live in guelph, ontario, canada and theres not much around that I can find to practice on. But I still want to learn. Could you email me at andrew-place@hotmail.com with any info regards to this post? Especially the questions I asked please. <BR/>Please don't take offense to this post. I really don't mean any bit of offense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com